This was meticulously engineered from the very first episode — the intent was screaming at you from frame one. I was going crazy watching so many people give the writer the benefit of the doubt, like 'oh she's just talentless and stitching together whatever looked cool.' No. I think even making it obvious enough for the oblivious ones by the finale — that was part of the plan too.
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진짜 처음부터 하나하나 전부 다 치밀하게 설계돼 있었고
1화부터 의도가 너무나도 분명하게 드러나 있는데
그냥 작가가 능력치 모자라서 어디서 좋아보이는거 다 짜깁기 해온거라고 이해해주는 덬들 많았어서 되게 답답했음
마지막회 가서야 머리 텅텅인 애들도 알 수 있게끔 설계해둔 것 까지도 처음부터 노린거라고 생각함
insightfultheqoo
Do they think this show only has ONE historical accuracy problem? The issue is that nothing — not one thing — was accurate from Episode 1 through Episode 12. And for the record: going back to the Goryeo period, Korea used a dual-register system — outward deference to China, but internally we used imperial terminology all the time. Joseon absolutely used 'Manse, Manse, Manmanse.' They clearly don't know that either.
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이 드라마는 고증오류가 오롯이 이거하나만 있는 줄 알아 1화부터 12화까지 맞는거 하나 없어서 문젠데
그리고 고려시대때부터 우리는 외왕내제 차용한게 많아서 중국한테 도의적으로 예의만 차리고 우리끼리 안에서는 제국 용어 차용한거 많아 조선시대때도 만세 만세 만만세 했을걸?
insightfultheqoo
This is what separates professionals from amateurs — basic craft conscience. Even in fantasy, the fantasy has to have internal rules and consistency, or it falls apart. If you're building a world around a Korean constitutional monarchy, the fantasy label does NOT give you permission to gut the historical spine of modern Korean identity. The moment you hollow out the foundation just to make it look pretty, you've made a traitor's work.
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직업의식이 어떤가에 따라 프로와 아마추어가 판가름 난다고 생각함 판타지라고 해도 그 판타지에도 규칙이 있고 일관성이 있어야 판타지에 설득력이 생기는거임 특히나 대한민국 입헌군주제를 세계관으로 한다면 아무리 판타지로 해도 대한민국 역사 현대사에 제일 중요한 뼈대는 건들지 말았어야지 보기좋게 즐기기 위해서 뼈대 근간이 되는걸 건드리면 매국노 작품이 됨
insightfultheqoo
Cheonse was just the fuse. It's the moment viewers connected twelve episodes of accumulated problems and realized they were all pointing the same direction. Once everyone's seen that — you can't just clip one wire. The whole bomb needs to go.
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천세는 그냥 도화선이잖아 1화부터 누적된 문제점들이 이제 보니 모두 중국을 향해있다는 걸 깨닫게 된 계기일 뿐이지 다들 알게 된 이상 그거 잘라서 되겠냐고 폭탄 전체를 없애야지
insightfultheqoo
This is genuinely infuriating. The 'Cheonse' and the nine-stream crown is what blew the lid off, and yeah Episode 1 was already all wrong — your intentions just became impossible to deny by the end. Setting, dialogue, direction — nothing in this entire drama was normal. Don't give me 'we didn't know.' The director's not the only one — the rest of the production team have impressive credits. Are you seriously asking us to believe every single one of them was just... brain-dead?
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진짜 개빡치게 하네
천세와 구류면류관에서 터진거고1화부터 개이상했고
너들의 의도가 마지막와서 여실히 보여지게 한거지
드라마 내내 설정대사연출 안이상한게 없는데
몰랐다구 퉁치지말고 감독말고도 제작에 참여한 사람들 프로필 대단하던데 다들 멍청한농들이야?
savagetheqoo
Honestly, I don't think 'Cheonse' alone caused this. People had been quietly building a case since Episode 1 — these nagging, unsettling little accuracy failures that left a bad taste every week. Viewers waited to see how it would all land. The finale answered that question, and the whole thing exploded.
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사실 천세천세 때문에 이렇게 된것 같진 않음. 1화때부터 계속 거슬리는 불편하고 묘하게 불쾌한 고증오류들을 사람들이 그래 어떻게 마무리할지 두고보다 결국 막화에 터진거임
insightfultheqoo
The Episode 1 banquet — the Grand Prince in a messy outfit, talking back to the Queen Mother right in front of everyone — that's when I knew this show had no foundation whatsoever. The whole vibe just kept feeling... off, not like a Korean drama at all. Couldn't even finish Episode 2, dropped it. If a real Grand Prince or chaebol heir acted like that, public opinion would have already buried them alive.
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1화 연회때 대군이 옷도 엉망에 남 앞에서 대비한테 깝치는거 보고 근본 없는 드라마인거 파악은 끝났는데 그뒤로도 드라마 정서가 한국드라마 맞는지 계속 기분이 불쾌해지길래 2화 끝까지 못보고 하차함 대군, 재벌이 저따구로 행동하면 여론으로 벌써 쳐맞고 죽은듯 살겠구만
emotionaltheqoo
Truly impressive fans, in every possible way. Instead of joining the 80 historians who flagged accuracy concerns before filming — which would have actually helped — they mass-reported them into silence. Then when Episode 1 aired and critics spoke up again, the fans rushed to shield the show, mass-reporting all over again. And even after handing ammunition to the Northeast Project narrative, their attitude is still THIS. Incredible.
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어휴 팬들 여러모로 대단하다.. 찍기 전에 고증 지적 나올때 무작정 감싸지 않고(사관덬 단체싸불한 80명) 같이 힘 보태지 1화 때 지적 나올때 팬들이 쉴드 치고 신고 하고 난리쳤잖아 ㅉㅉ 동북공정 빌미주고 나서도 저런 태도라니
insightfultheqoo
Same — I hate that everyone's only talking about China while the Japan-worship parts just quietly slide by. From Episode 1 the royal family and political structure felt like it was lifted from Japan, and the citizens were written as this passive, kept-ignorant mass… that's arguably worse, and nobody's pushing on it. If the China button hadn't been pressed, there wouldn't have been any apology at all. That's a wake-up call right there.
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나도 이런것같아서 자꾸 중국얘기만 하고 일뽕 묻었던 부분은 슬쩍 넘어가는거 싫더라. 애초에 1화부터 일본 따온듯한 왕실에 정치에, 우민화된듯한 국민에… 그게 더 심각한데 중국이란 버튼 아니었으면 사과조차 안했을거라고.
insightfultheqoo
They keep releasing statements that only address 'Cheonse' and the nine-stream crown — as if those are the only things people are angry about, when there is literally not one scene in this entire drama that follows Joseon court protocol. Framing it that way is pure damage minimization lol. You want the full case against this show? Just cut together every Queen Mother scene from Episode 1. It's all right there.
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자꾸 천세 구류면류관만 가지고 저런 해명 내놓는데 조선 예법을 가져온게 1도 없었는데 저것만으로 욕먹는거 같이 해놓는건 축소시키고 있다고밖에 생각이 안듦ㅋㅋㅋ 그냥 1회부터 대비씬들만 모아놔도 거기에 다 있음 이 드라마 문제점
insightfultheqoo
Oh so now the goal was to bash the actors all along — the fire got redirected to the actors and now the momentum's gone. Wake up, people. Before broadcast, history buffs flagged problems with the synopsis and 80 of them got their comments mass-reported into oblivion. Then when Episode 1 aired and people called out the problems, the response was 'omg it's so hot, y'all are just obsessed/crazy' — and that silenced everyone too.
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여기서 배우 욕하는게 목적이었다 배우 패서 화력빠진거다 한처먹는 분들은 정신 좀 차려 방영 전부터 시놉보고 역덬이 문제제기한 거 80명이 댓으로 싸불해서 입막았잖아 방영되고 1회부터 이상했는데 핫하다 핫해 정병타령 하면서 입막아놓고
savagetheqoo
Honestly, both lead actors' fandoms are absolutely the bully-type — exactly like people above said. The problems were visible from Episode 1, there were plenty of posts calling them out, and those fans swarmed around like a gang shutting everyone down. And NOW that it's all blown up — they're pointing fingers at Choi Tae-sung? I am so done with this fandom.
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진짜 이 드라마 저 두 배우진은 위 덬들 말처럼 일진 팬덤이 맞는듯 1화 방영부터 여러 문제들이 보였고 지적하는 글이 많았는데 조폭마냥 모여다니며 입막음하고 결국 이 사달이 났는데... 이젠 화살을 최태성쌤에게로 돌린거?? 진짜 이 팬덤 질린다..
savagetheqoo
Are they seriously doing interviews looking like THAT in the middle of all this chaos?? And why are they apologizing TO THE ACTORS lmaooo — if you're actually sorry, apologize to this country for making a drama that has people calling Korea a Chinese vassal state.
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아니 이 난리속에서 인터뷰 이꼬라지인게 맞나? 그리고 배우들에게 사과를 왜 해ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 제대로 사과를 해도 이딴 드라마 만들어서 중국 속국이다 소리 듣고있는 우리나라에게 사과해야지
emotionaltheqoo
It is NOT just 'Cheonse' — in the royal court: Chinese tea sets, Chinese tea ceremony style, crossing your legs in front of the Queen Mother like you're at a convenience store, and calling the king '조카님' (nephew). What constitutional monarchy on this planet addresses its reigning king as NEPHEW?? Go back and check all of it. From. Episode. One.
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천천세만 문제인게 아니라 왕실에서 중국산 다기세트 중국식 다도, 궁중 예법 따윈 없는 상놈의 나라 수준으로 대비 앞에서 다리 꼬기 왕한테 조카님(대체 어느 입헌 군주제에서 왕한테 조카님 이라는 호칭으로 부르냐고) 다 따져봐? 1화부터?
insightfultheqoo
Yes, technically the tributary culture of East Asia didn't automatically mean vassal-state status — that distinction matters and needs to be made clearly. But THAT'S exactly why reducing this to just the coronation scene is more dangerous. The show had so many problems, across all twelve episodes, that viewers came away thinking Joseon was a vassal state — and Joseon was a sovereign nation. That's the damage.
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당연히 동아시아에서 조공문화는 속국의 의미가 아니지 이거 구분하고 확실히 짚어야 하는건 맞아 근데 그래서 지금처럼 즉위식 장면만 문제인 것처럼 문제를 축소하는게 더 위험한거야 자주국이었던 조선을 속국으로 오해할만큼 드라마 전반에 문제가 많았다는건데
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