Every single piece of this was meticulously constructed from the start. The intent was visible from Episode 1 — but SO many people were giving the writer the benefit of the doubt, like 'oh she's just incompetent, copy-pasting whatever looked cool.' That drove me insane. Even the finale being obvious enough that the densest possible viewer could finally see it — I think that was calculated from day one too.
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진짜 처음부터 하나하나 전부 다 치밀하게 설계돼 있었고
1화부터 의도가 너무나도 분명하게 드러나 있는데
그냥 작가가 능력치 모자라서 어디서 좋아보이는거 다 짜깁기 해온거라고 이해해주는 덬들 많았어서 되게 답답했음
마지막회 가서야 머리 텅텅인 애들도 알 수 있게끔 설계해둔 것 까지도 처음부터 노린거라고 생각함
insightfultheqoo
'천세' is just the fuse. It's the moment everyone finally understood that every problem stacked up since Episode 1 was pointing in the same direction — toward China. Now that we all see it: cutting one wire doesn't fix this. The whole bomb has to go.
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천세는 그냥 도화선이잖아 1화부터 누적된 문제점들이 이제 보니 모두 중국을 향해있다는 걸 깨닫게 된 계기일 뿐이지 다들 알게 된 이상 그거 잘라서 되겠냐고 폭탄 전체를 없애야지
insightfultheqoo
Professional vs. amateur — it comes down to work ethic. Fantasy still needs internal rules and consistency, or it has no power. And if you're setting your world in a constitutional monarchy modeled on Korea specifically, you do NOT touch the foundational pillars of Korean history no matter how fantasy it gets. The moment you hollow out that foundation for entertainment value, you've made a traitor's work.
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직업의식이 어떤가에 따라 프로와 아마추어가 판가름 난다고 생각함 판타지라고 해도 그 판타지에도 규칙이 있고 일관성이 있어야 판타지에 설득력이 생기는거임 특히나 대한민국 입헌군주제를 세계관으로 한다면 아무리 판타지로 해도 대한민국 역사 현대사에 제일 중요한 뼈대는 건들지 말았어야지 보기좋게 즐기기 위해서 뼈대 근간이 되는걸 건드리면 매국노 작품이 됨
insightfultheqoo
Honestly I don't think '천세' is what caused this. People had been putting up with the low-grade discomfort of wrong historical details since Episode 1 — nagging, slightly off, impossible to fully ignore — watching to see how it would wrap up. The finale is just where twelve episodes of that discomfort finally detonated.
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사실 천세천세 때문에 이렇게 된것 같진 않음. 1화때부터 계속 거슬리는 불편하고 묘하게 불쾌한 고증오류들을 사람들이 그래 어떻게 마무리할지 두고보다 결국 막화에 터진거임
insightfultheqoo
This is genuinely infuriating. '천세' and the '구류면류관' [a specific style of royal crown] — that's what blew it open, but it was OFF from Episode 1. The finale just made your intentions impossible to deny. Not a single piece of setting, dialogue, or direction in this whole drama was right — so don't come at us with 'we didn't know.' The director isn't the only one. Everyone on that production has an impressive résumé. Are you telling me they were ALL just brain-dead?
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진짜 개빡치게 하네
천세와 구류면류관에서 터진거고1화부터 개이상했고
너들의 의도가 마지막와서 여실히 보여지게 한거지
드라마 내내 설정대사연출 안이상한게 없는데
몰랐다구 퉁치지말고 감독말고도 제작에 참여한 사람들 프로필 대단하던데 다들 멍청한농들이야?
savagetheqoo
It's not just '천세.' Chinese tea sets in the palace. Chinese-style tea ceremony. Crossing your legs in front of the Queen Dowager like court etiquette doesn't exist — commoner behavior, literally. Calling the king '조카님' [nephew] — what constitutional monarchy on earth lets you call the sitting king 'nephew'?? Count it all up. From Episode 1.
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천천세만 문제인게 아니라 왕실에서 중국산 다기세트 중국식 다도, 궁중 예법 따윈 없는 상놈의 나라 수준으로 대비 앞에서 다리 꼬기 왕한테 조카님(대체 어느 입헌 군주제에서 왕한테 조카님 이라는 호칭으로 부르냐고) 다들 따져봐? 1화부터?
insightfultheqoo
Yes, tribute culture in East Asia didn't automatically mean vassal status — that distinction matters and needs to be made clearly. But THAT'S exactly why minimizing it to just the coronation scene is the more dangerous move. The problem is that this drama has so many compounding errors that a viewer could walk away genuinely believing Joseon was a subordinate state to China. And this gets exported internationally. Episode 1 complaints about setting errors kept piling up — each one quietly degrading Joseon court culture and customs — until the whole thing finally collapsed under its own weight.
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당연히 동아시아에서 조공문화는 속국의 의미가 아니지 이거 구분하고 확실히 짚어야 하는건 맞아 근데 그래서 지금처럼 즉위식 장면만 문제인 것처럼 문제를 축소하는게 더 위험한거야 자주국이었던 조선을 속국으로 오해할만큼 드라마 전반에 문제가 많았다는건데 이거 해외에 수출되는 드라마잖아 1화부터 제기된 설정 오류들이 조선예법과 문화를 꾸준히 폄하하고 왜곡하는 방향으로 켜켜히 쌓이다가 결국 터진거라고 봄
insightfultheqoo
The second that official statement framed it like only one scene was problematic, it was obvious exactly how they planned to play this. Every complaint raised from Episode 1 onward — not a single mention. Scrubbed from the public conversation like it never happened.
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공식 입장문에서 1화만 문제인 것처럼 말할 때부터 저렇게 밀고 나갈게 뻔해 보였어 1화부터 제기된 문제들은 언급도 안 하고 없던 일인 것처럼 화제에서 다 삭제시켜버림
insightfultheqoo
Same — I hate how it's become all China all the time while the Japan-coded elements just get quietly dropped. From Episode 1 the royal family and politics read like they were lifted from Japan, and the citizens felt deliberately kept ignorant and docile [우민화 — the policy of keeping a population uneducated to control them]... that's arguably worse. And if the China button hadn't gotten pushed, there wouldn't even have been an apology.
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나도 이런것같아서 자꾸 중국얘기만 하고 일뽕 묻었던 부분은 슬쩍 넘어가는거 싫더라. 애초에 1화부터 일본 따온듯한 왕실에 정치에, 우민화된듯한 국민에… 그게 더 심각한데 중국이란 버튼 아니었으면 사과조차 안했을거라고.
insightfultheqoo
What exactly were the writer, director, and the whole production team doing during all that pre-production time — just chasing star casting? Viewers clocked something was wrong after ONE episode. You people had the script in your hands for months. What's your excuse?
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작가랑 감독등 제작진은 그 많은 프리프로덕션 기간동안뭐했냐 스타캐스팅만 쫓아다녔냐 시청자들이 1회만보고 쎄함 눈치챘는데 대본 들고팠을 니들은 뭔데
insightfultheqoo
The Episode 1 banquet — a grand prince in a sloppy outfit, mouthing off at the Queen Dowager in front of everyone — and I was done. Filed it as 'fundamentally rootless drama' right there. But even after that, something about the whole emotional register kept feeling wrong — like, is this even a Korean drama? Couldn't finish Episode 2. Dropped it.
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1화 연회때 대군이 옷도 엉망에 남 앞에서 대비한테 깝치는거 보고 근본 없는 드라마인거 파악은 끝났는데 그뒤로도 드라마 정서가 한국드라마 맞는지 계속 기분이 불쾌해지길래 2화 끝까지 못보고 하차함
emotionaltheqoo
The whole point was to make this about bashing the actors — burn the energy on that, and the real fire dies down. Wake UP, people who are falling for it. Before broadcast, history fans flagged problems with the synopsis and 80 people swarmed the comments to bury it. Then Episode 1 airs clearly wrong, and instead of engaging they just went '왜 이렇게 핫해~' [oh it's so popular~] and called the critics mentally ill [정병 — derogatory slang for 'mental case,' used to dismiss fans who criticize]. They buried it twice. Now they want to redirect to actor hate.
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여기서 배우 욕하는게 목적이었다 배우 패서 화력빠진거다 한처먹는 분들은 정신 좀 차려 방영 전부터 시놉보고 역덬이 문제제기한 거 80명이 댓으로 싸불해서 입막았잖아 방영되고 1회부터 이상했는데 핫하다 핫해 정병타령 하면서 입막아놓고
savagetheqoo
Honestly both of those actors' fandoms are exactly the '일진 팬덤' [bully fandom] everyone's describing. Problems were visible from Episode 1, critical posts were everywhere — and they went around mob-style shutting it all down, and NOW this blows up... and they're redirecting the blame at Choi Tae-sung [a prominent Korean history educator and TV personality]??
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진짜 이 드라마 저 두 배우진은 위 덬들 말처럼 일진 팬덤이 맞는듯 1화 방영부터 여러 문제들이 보였고 지적하는 글이 많았는데 조폭마냥 모여다니며 입막음하고 결국 이 사달이 났는데... 이젠 화살을 최태성쌤에게로 돌린거??
savagetheqoo
Sorry, they're doing INTERVIEWS right now looking like THAT while all this is happening? And why are they apologizing TO THE ACTORS lmaooo. If you're going to apologize at all, apologize to the country — the one now getting called China's vassal state because of the drama YOU made.
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아니 이 난리속에서 인터뷰 이꼬라지인게 맞나? 그리고 배우들에게 사과를 왜 해ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 제대로 사과를 해도 이딴 드라마 만들어서 중국 속국이다 소리 듣고있는 우리나라에게 사과해야지
emotionaltheqoo
Do they think this is the only historical inaccuracy in the drama?? The problem is there's not ONE correct thing from Episode 1 through 12. Also — for the record — Korea practiced '외왕내제' [presenting as a kingdom externally while using imperial titles internally] going back to the Goryeo period. Outwardly deferring to China while internally using imperial court language. Joseon would have used '만세 만세 만만세' [ten-thousand years, ten-thousand years, ten-thousand-times ten-thousand years] domestically. The '천세' framing literally erases that history.
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이 드라마는 고증오류가 오롯이 이거하나만 있는 줄 알아 1화부터 12화까지 맞는거 하나 없어서 문젠데
그리고 고려시대때부터 우리는 외왕내제 차용한게 많아서 중국한테 도의적으로 예의만 차리고 우리끼리 안에서는 제국 용어 차용한거 많아 조선시대때도 만세 만세 만만세 했을걸?
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